Got scammed from 10k awd worth of skills&panes

[Serenityfirefly]

Loren told me that she has had her avatar for 2 years, (Cant remember here that far back.. was just after last summer i saw her as a noobot) she told me that she has not been active for the past year, (macro skilling in saransk and spouting other people are scammers in game) Loren told me she sent support case to get her password etc back, (she was never gone in the first place) Loren told me it werent her or fordeatha macroing at saransk main for months.. (lots of people put her on ignore for the .001 flaming) Loren told me she didnt know why she was in anarchy soc when she came back... (why stay in it?) Loren told me it was to hide the .001's.... Loren told me that it werent a macro or cheat... that "she was doing it as it says woman from arthritus.... (still have some respect instead of being a cheat) Loren told me.. She gave all back to Irkens to make amends ( i couldnt care to be honest) Loren told me Irkens Exiled her because someone hacked her account and ruined her rep.. (yeah just like she stole stuff too) Loren told me that she wanted to look for another soc that was better... She Asked to Join Shadow Corpse... we Flat out refused due to shes aload of rubbish... (omg you thought we would accept you were not stupid) a knife wouldnt could through this crap... oh and because we refused she continues on her BS.. Seriously that day in saransk i was asked to come over because you wanted to chat... i wish i hadnt but lol it made me laugh so hard at the lies you came out with.. Dear you really just need to stop making yourself look worse ans fess up.

@ elless... Susan Thunderhead McBright is his name, and she isnt a she its a he.. You know some guys irl dont like the way male avatars look in some online games.. just an example... Thief/Fifth/Kl4ws/Life are all guys too and thats to name a few.. myself im female... and thunderhead is allowed just like anyone else to have there own views or opinions/say... maybe its stupidity for you because you cant acknowledge or understand fully and listen to all sides in an arguement or conversation.. maybe learn to skill in being a convosationalist.. lol. "Eless just Gained a new Rank in Convosationalist skill"

have fun guys

[Quark]

Well, this is how I look at this scenario.

It's a learning situation no matter how large or small the populace is playing a game regardless if it's a RCE, a RCE to be (like when this game goes live), or a non RCE, my answer is the exact same.

Don't trust people in general until they "prove" they are trustworthy, even then you should be by an event based decision tree (have they been good to you and others or are they spotty or shading in other areas).

If someone says they will have funds in 5 minutes and you give them your stuff, you are asking for trouble. Wait it out until they have the funds and actually present it in the trade window.

Common sense, is what really matters, however despite the description being common, it's not at all or more people would be using it (as in everyone would be).

If you have the screen shots and have not been paid that's an ethic's issue and is in the gray area of administration.

Granted, Dedicated Logic (the creator of this game) records all transactions, skilling, and chat in their logs and can check it when they have time but it's really up to the people to work out the situation that had the problem.

Now if the system itself was compromised the it would be a Dedicated Logic problem. It's where the blame hits is the trick in this scenario.

As it was stated in the Participant Agreement, multiple accounts are a no-no. The only people that can have multis is Dedicated Logic, the employees themselves or if Dedicated Logic specifically creates an account for a 3rd party such as a legally bonded criminal investigator or cyber-forensics technician.

[Antsu]

You guys ignored this too well so I decided to BUMP this just for you and I'm waiting for replies. Loren are you really so f*cking douchebag that you first come up with this kind of BS and when you're busted you try to ignore me.

btw who gave you the "scammer Fordaetha's" forum login, which he/she used in posts #14 & #16 of this thread? Kinda weird.

@TGIFDOOMSTER I'd like to hear what's your role in this play? Your story was nice... but totally BS. I already sent support ticket about this case... so maybe it would be right time to clean your reputation if you still have one.

Greetings,

Your Private Detective / Antsu

[Thunderhead]

Originally Posted by elless

Firstly there was no need for thunderhead to be a prize idiot in his response & secondly ...IT'S A GUY? and his avatar is susan???
Before you start having a dig at people thundersponge you should think about your own stupidity first eh?


.....and on topic...sorry to hear about this. hopefully that asshole who scammed you will have a very very sad life. It will match his or her personality

Huh??

i said what i said because is good that ppl who try to provit from aw gets a kick in the ass,thats still my opinion.

and calling me stupid for using a female ava is agains the forum rules.do i call u gay for using a ava with same gender what u have?..maybe start thinking before typing.

Greetings

[Antsu]

Loren Fordaetha = TGIFDOOMSTER? False accusation? Maybe, but why I don't get answers...

[Serenityfirefly]

Originally Posted by Antsu

Loren Fordaetha = TGIFDOOMSTER? False accusation? Maybe, but why I don't get answers...

There is no need for false accusations, especially when the facts are already there as proof that fordeatha did do this.. do not make a false accusation that TGIFDOOMSTER is fodeatha as that would not only be pathetic but damn lie... I've spoken to doomster alot during the time me and have have been in game and i can safely say he holds the same morals as i do.. hate alts.. cant stand them.. why do them? they should be banned.. hate exploiters & macroers.. and well from my experience and friendship with TGIFDOOMSTER i can safely say you are making false accusations so do not bring people with good names & rep and have actually made a difference into it.. he does not deserve it nor does anyone else.. You beef is with Loren Fordeatha.. maybe take it up in private and you will get the answers you need.. However Doomster can not give you those answers as he is not the same person.

Good luck in finding your peace Anstu & my apoligies if i offened anyone in this post.. i just hate to see a dear friend's name dragged through the mud.

[TGIFDOOMSTER]

Originally Posted by Antsu

Loren Fordaetha = TGIFDOOMSTER? False accusation? Maybe, but why I don't get answers...

Ok Antsu, not sure what's your problem, nor what past bad relationships or

transactions you had with Loren Fordaetha, but why dragg me into the

middle of them just because I come in and speak the truth. Oh and honestly

I don't care about a person's reputation, because you will find that I am one

of the most honest and direct speaking individuals that you will come across

in this game that wont tolerate those that lie, cheat and steal from others.

And for that matters, I'm on the game most times when I'm feeling good

depending upon my health problems due to my Mutilpe Sclerosis and the

one thing I do in the AfterWorld Community that anyone that comes in

contact with me, is stand by my word. Oh by the way Since Global Chat

in the Game is Fully Functional Now and it seems most times that

TGIFDOOMSTER and a few others are the main ones that use it..why

don't you log in right now along with Loren Forethada and settle all your

issues, instead of making alot of crap on the forums especially after I get

up not feeling good just to see more nonsense like this. And I certainly

don't like being accused of being another avatar in the game either and take

serious offense to it. And you wonder why I haven't replied to this garbage

in the past, well lately I have been in bad health and do good to just play

the game with my friends and make a post every now and then, and you

take it as someone trying to ignore your butt!!!.. You act like I already didn't

write a book once or twice in this article explaining what went on, and if I

remember it was written and addressing Loren's issues and the fact that

she was stating that Goodkarma was responsible for any and everything

that went on in her account basically and so all negative activity that came

from all the transactions and selling of skills along with all the hours and

days of standing there macroing and tying up the chat servers in Sars

while building up large volumes of skills like the last time I took a screen

shot of the activity was May 18, 2010 at 6:43 am Central time in the

morning, and this was going on all night of nothing but 0.001's.. And I

never saw Goodkarma's name being used. Also when I was buying skills

back then, Fordaetha approached me to try and sell all her skills to me,

but all she had was skills in very large bulk and atm items I wasn't looking

for, so I didn't buy nothing from her even though she was selling at low

prices. I had already just bought like 7 thousand awd in items, sau and

skills after I was approached by her and I wasn't prepared to spend

anymore that month, considering I was spending large volumes of awd

atm each month with my donations. So for me, a person that is in my eyes

that is constantly using a macro to skill out in the open and tying up the

local chat servers with no regard to anyone else just so they can gain skill

really don't care about the others in the community. It's bad when you have

those that actually tolerate the macroing to a point, but then they have to

actually either leave zone or put them on there ignore list so they don't

listen to it anymore and it's the same with those constantly using and

exploiting the known bug issues in the game without reporting to the devs

and Banks. I will give you all a Heads up .. that maybe most of you may

or may not even be aware of.. but there are some serious changes coming

and that's for all you bug exploiters and hackers and anyone else that wants

to continue to expand on the system.. Heck..for that matters..you might as

well go ahead and sell all your skills now while you have a chance, or give

them away free because there not going to do you a whole lot of good when

your account is completely Banned and Blocked and the next time you try

to logg on..you wonder what the heck...and then your crying on the forums

I can't log on.. Just remember what I said...So for all those with Alternate

accounts and those working to cheat the system.. I see a end in sight for

yah.. LOL I just hope I didn't bust your bubble to soon heheh.. or maybe

I should of keep quite and let the Devs just switch the lights off on your

butts, but then again, like I said when I got up earlier, I wasn't feeling good

and in all honesty shouldn't actually be replying to this garbage.. And if you

don't like that, well too bad, maybe you can come over and get rid of my

migraine before you go off on someone you don't even know!!! I classify

you as nothing but a trouble maker and someone that likes to start things

without all the facts.

And to this response:

@TGIFDOOMSTER I'd like to hear what's your role in this play? Your story was nice... but totally BS. I already sent support ticket about this case... so maybe it would be right time to clean your reputation if you still have one.

GET A LIFE!!!...Because when you start living in mine everyday bud..then

you can start saying my story is totally BS...and you can start taking my

COPAXONE shots DAILY YOU JERK!!!, which I have to have my friends

even encourage me to take have the dam time to take now because they

hurt so much, but oh I forgot...you don't have a life..So until you start to

live a little in my shoes, you better get all the dam FACTS!!!

[Antsu]

FACTS:

1. There's no-one "Goodkarma"
2. Why? If there is he/she still controls Loren's account.
3. Why? Why would this "Loren-for-real" use his/her account?
4. How I know? Common sense.
5. Should I still explain? If there was someone named Goodkarma. He used Fordaetha nickname here on AfterWorld Forum as you see in posts #14 & #16 of this thread. And then she/he gaved this account to "real-Loren" which she used in posts #27,#31 & #33.
6. Bit too much for me. Loren you're douchebag. You try hard but you always fuck up.
7. @TGIFDOOMSTER: Your story turn out to be BS. So the truth? How much he/she paid? What you get from this sh*t?

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Originally Posted by Serenityfirefly

There is no need for false accusations, especially when the facts are already there as proof that fordeatha did do this.. do not make a false accusation that TGIFDOOMSTER is fodeatha as that would not only be pathetic but damn lie... I've spoken to doomster alot during the time me and have have been in game and i can safely say he holds the same morals as i do.. hate alts.. cant stand them.. why do them? they should be banned.. hate exploiters & macroers.. and well from my experience and friendship with TGIFDOOMSTER i can safely say you are making false accusations so do not bring people with good names & rep and have actually made a difference into it.. he does not deserve it nor does anyone else.. You beef is with Loren Fordeatha.. maybe take it up in private and you will get the answers you need.. However Doomster can not give you those answers as he is not the same person.

Good luck in finding your peace Anstu & my apoligies if i offened anyone in this post.. i just hate to see a dear friend's name dragged through the mud.

I'm sorry if I stepped into your toes, but I'm not here making friends. I'm defending mates who lost their money to this douchebag.

If you say Loren did this. You mean there is no GoodKarma? So what's the story of TGIFDOOMSTER? That's the only thing what I want to hear.

[TGIFDOOMSTER]

Originally Posted by Antsu

FACTS:

1. There's no-one "Goodkarma"
2. Why? If there is he/she still controls Loren's account.
3. Why? Why would this "Loren-for-real" use his/her account?
4. How I know? Common sense.
5. Should I still explain? If there was someone named Goodkarma. He used Fordaetha nickname here on AfterWorld Forum as you see in posts #14 & #16 of this thread. And then she/he gaved this account to "real-Loren" which she used in posts #27,#31 & #33.
6. Bit too much for me. Loren you're douchebag. You try hard but you always fuck up.
7. @TGIFDOOMSTER: Your story turn out to be BS. So the truth? How much he/she paid? What you get from this sh*t?

---------- Post added at 11:46 ---------- Previous post was at 11:37 ----------



I'm sorry if I stepped into your toes, but I'm not here making friends. I'm defending mates who lost their money to this douchebag.

If you say Loren did this. You mean there is no GoodKarma? So what's the story of TGIFDOOMSTER? That's the only thing what I want to hear.

To Antsu:

For starters..it doesn't sound like your defending anyone but just starting a

bunch of crap and accusing anyone you please that meets your definintion

of what your trying to achieve and that's just nothing but trouble!!!.

And to make a complete accusation that I was supposed to have been, I

quote:

How much he/she paid? What you get from this sh*t?

, is in my opinion making accusations against someone that has

done no wrong and delibrately trying to cause harm to my character without

any just cause in which I have done nothing to ask anyone to do in these

forums or even in the game which I feel is violating some type of rules of

behavior, because I have seriously taken offense to your actions!!!

Everyone in the game including the Devs knows about Goodkarma and what

he has done!!. So with that stated..I'm tired of all this from you and I'll just

let the screen shots and my letters to support I sent speak for themselves.

And finally also to answer these questions as well I quote:

7. @TGIFDOOMSTER: Your story turn out to be BS. So the truth? How much he/she paid? What you get from this sh*t?

First my story has not turnd out to be BS, because it is totally 100% true!
and for you to make the statement someone has paid me is a load of crap!
when you must be delusional or something, because for starters let me tell
you something bud, if I catch you doing something illegal, and I don't give a
darn whether your my BEST FRIEND, I WILL REPORT YOU!! There so every
one is clear that TGIFDOOMSTER will report you if he catches you doing
hacks, cheats, exploits, or what ever money scam your think your going
to bring into AfterWorld, because I just don't tolerate it. Now if you want
to deal with a honest, trustworthy individual that loves the game and will
stop what he's doing just to go make something for you at cost because
your a friend, and someone you don't have to worry about trying to take
your kitchen sick, then maybe you might want to look my way, but that's
yours and everyones else's choice, because I just enjoy and love to play
the game like most players, almost everyone that has done business with
me in the game has always know that the one thing I have not done is
gone seeking to try and take a payment from someone, because half the
time, I even give the stuff away or make it at pure cost similiar to Viperstrike
because I believe in helping people. For anything else that may have occured
with this Loren Fordeatha person along with Goodkarma, I have no ideal and
I don't care because it don't concern me or my family, and if you want to
deal with this issue why don't you do what I have already told you in the
first place and get on the Global Chat System that is fully Functional and
Speak with Me along with everyone else in the game and stop all this
garbage, and start talking like civilized people instead of this back and
forth book writing..And now.. What have I gotten from all of this so far
you may ask? NOTHING BUT A SERIOUS MIGRAINE HEADACHE FROM
YOU!!!, and the fact that I'm having to waste my time to post all this
stuff and once again to show everyone my ability to write a book!

The Screen shots and the following email I sent to support will speak for themselves!!! You can also look at the links under Galley pics Misc AfterWorld photos titled Goodkarma stealing Irkens Society Stuff and the other photo is titled Goodkarma Hacking into TomW Account.




This is the letter that was sent to AfterWorld Support concerning Goodkarma Hacking into Irkens
Society Storage lockers and Stealing all there belongings as well as Hacking into TomW's
account on 2/14/10 at 5:41 am central time. I'm tired of all the garbage I'm getting from this so
everyone will get to hear what happened and what Support actually recieved as well. This can
even be verified by the Devs themselves, because the support case was sent on 2/15/2010 at
2:39 pm.

Since then, Goodkarma returned all belongings to Irkens immediately the following day and he
was supposed to have talked with the devs about his actions he did in the game and was banned
I believe for what he did, but I was never told what actually happened. But I have like I told others
spoken to him in chat outside the game a few times with him telling me how he
was doing with his life and that he was persuing a career in avaition and was currently
getting his pilot license. The last time I had talked with him was him telling
me about there baby, that's the last I have heard since. Here's the letter sent to
support below.

Hi there,


Here's that Screenshot I made..

It says "TomW: secret code : jeremy is the king"

taken on 2/14/10 at 5:41 am central time..

He then logged off after 10 secs then logged back into his account and

told me what he had typed into the account by repeating exactly word for

word: secret code : jeremy is the king..

He then said he was using a Hack program and could get into anybodys

account and just proved it..and that AfterWorld apparently don't have nothing

on him..and he's been doing computers for over 16years.. I said that apparently

TomW must not of had a good password, or did he give it to you...and he said no..

and that he actually had a good one.. But he gave the indication that he was

explorting a bug in the Team function.. This honestly scared the crap out of me,

because if he had these capabilitlies, then he could possiblity try to gain access to my

account...and my account is worth alot of AWD....

I then immediately called Trish and Reddog on their phone and talked with them about

whether or not..TomW had given goodkarma his Password out.. He said he had not. and

assured his family that this has not happened either, and I do know that all their family had

gone to bed hours before this had happened. With much conversation about this, I told them what

I believed goodkarma was doing to gain access to the accounts and taking advantage of people.

and to never allow anyone again to use Web Cam Skype Conference calls again.. Because all that

happens is he utilizes hacking software to gain control of the web cams so he can then use a keymapper

and then record any data that is typed into the keypad, or even listen into there conversations.. I can't

stand anytype of this activity and have reported when Tesla Coil did the same thing and admited to

shutting down Afterward and causing Chaos...

Now later on that day after I got some sleep... I had got waken up around 7 pm..and finally got loaded into

game.. Due to problems the Irkens where having..they had several of there members leave there society,

and latter on that night were welcomed into TGIF society. Well what leads to my next statement is

something so bad, that I consider it just as bad as logging into others accounts, but he had to do the same

thing to do this I believe, because goodkarma then Stole everything out the Irkens Society Storage Locker..

He PM'd me and then said that he had stole everything out of Slot B Society Storage. He then asked that

if he left Irken's and joined TGIF and gave everything over to me, if I would build all his items for free for the

rest of the time he's in the game... I told him that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE WILL ANY MEMBER OF

TGIF or I take anything that don't belong to our Society!!!! He replied that it was just a game and that it

wasn't RL... I told him that I didn't see it that way... that I considered Real Life and the Game the Same,

because people open their Hearts, and their Trusts to you so that you may gain Friendships and gain

access to their Society Storage Lockers and things, and then to utterly Betray that Trust and Friendship

by Taking everything they have is outright slanderous and Theft... He said he didn't see it that way and I

couldn't make him see any different because all it was, was a game and it was a form of simple Esponiage

and When your in the Enemies Den..your supposed to Wreck havoc on them and take what they have.

I said let me put it another way then... What if someone came into your home goodkarma, where you

entrusted them with your Children and your precious belongings..and When you got home, you found that

your children had been harmed, or what ever, and all your precious things gone.. and you thought this was

your friend you trusted.. This is what happens when you have individuals that try to destroy homes and

Society's the like all because they don't care who they hurt..and the people they effect. And let me tell you

this goodkarma, TGIF has had this very thing done to them that you have already done.. and since then we

have not had any Society locker since.. He still stayed convinced he was right..

I then was recieving other pm's by Cuey and SFF about new Bug SFF she found in Game that I verified for

her and reported to you.. I then while on Team Voice with my whole society, and Lithium of Holland Nu

Society, I told him immediately what goodkarma had done and I read exactely word for word what our

Private message had been. When Egon got on, I immediately notified him, and then Gooch got on, and I

personally talked to him, Taz, Egon, on their Teamspeak 3 server on their Administration channel..and

talked in detail about everything that I have typed in this letter. Now when I went to go take a screenshot.

of my Private message, because I had been standing still and talking to them for so long on the server, I

ended up getting logged out of my account, which caused my private chat boxed to clear out. So, my

witnesses to the events where my Society mates, and another Society Holland Nu Lithium in which I read

the entire letter to him in its entirety before it disappeared. I don't know whether you have way to bring it

back or not..but it be nice.. It was from early this morning..

What truly hurt's about this whole darn situation, was I had actually become friends with this person and,

we enjoyed music and singing and things.. It seems when you think you find someone that can be a great

friend, then all of a sudden something changes them in the game, or they let there RL problems interfer with

their Avatar and their no longer the person you once knew.. Such a shame...and he has a Wife expecting

a baby too, and he's fighting major depression..which might explain some of the issues that developed with

him.

Please accept my appologies for such a long letter..

Thanks and God Bless

TGIFDOOMSTER




And if that's not enough for you..then Your just completely harrassing me

and completly ignoring the sign you read when you entered into the forums

that READ:

We want to remind everybody that the constant bickering and arguing between certain societies and/or members will no longer be tolerated. What we need at this moment is for the AW community to grow, but we can imagine that newcomers would be turned away by seeing nothing but petty fights. We're all supposed to be adults here, and it is time to start acting like adults. Constructive criticism is the prefered approach, so be sure to check your egos and personal disputes at the door when you enter a thread. Failure to comply WILL result in your access to this site being revoked.

I ask that the Administrator to step in and do something about Antsu's

continued harrassement if he fails to acknowledge and accept the rules.

This will be my last post concerning this particular topic, because I completely

feel that this topic is CLOSED!!!.

[Antsu]

I'm sorry that I don't have time to read such a long post. I'm sorry if you feel harassed, but my only point/question:

I don't care if the scammer's name is Fordaetha or GoodKarma or whatever, but why these two tend to use same forum account.

@TGIFDOOMSTER: My humblest apology if I have understand somenthing wrong.